Mick Lynch says RMT no closer to calling off rail strikes as transport minister states there is ‘deal to be done’ – UK politics live

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Mick Lynch says meeting with transport secretary ‘positive’, but RMT no closer to calling off rail strikes

Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, has been speaking to the media after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

He said that it was a “positive meeting” and that Harper said he would set out in writing what steps might be taken towards a resolution of the dispute behind the rail strikes.

He said one issue was that it has not been clear what scope the Rail Delivery Group had to negotiate. Harper said he would clarify that, he said.

Lynch said he hoped that would lead to a new negotiating mandate.

But asked if he was closer to calling off the dispute, Lynch said that was not the case. He said they would not be closer to an end of the dispute until a reasonable offer was on the table.

This is from the Mirror’s Ashley Cowburn.

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Mick Lynch tells the press we’re “now starting to get a dialogue” with Transport Sec.

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Mick Lynch tells the press we’re “now starting to get a dialogue” with Transport Sec.

Says we’re “getting rid of the bellicose rhetoric” of his predecessor Grant Shapps. pic.twitter.com/GhP8C61ON2

— Ashley Cowburn (@ashcowburn) November 24, 2022

Updated at 08.22 EST

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Government departments have been ordered to stop installing surveillance cameras made by Chinese firms on “sensitive sites” due to security concerns, PA Media reports. PA says:

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The order applies to “visual surveillance systems” made by firms subject to China’s national security law, which requires companies to cooperate with Beijing’s security services.

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Whitehall ministries have been told existing equipment should not be connected to departmental core networks and consideration should be given to removing it entirely.

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The shift in policy was announced by Oliver Dowden, the Cabinet Office minister. In a written ministerial statement he said:

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The Government Security Group has undertaken a review of the current and future possible security risks associated with the installation of visual surveillance systems on the government estate.

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The review has concluded that, in light of the threat to the UK and the increasing capability and connectivity of these systems, additional controls are required.

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Departments have therefore been instructed to cease deployment of such equipment on to sensitive sites, where it is produced by companies subject to the national intelligence law of the People’s Republic of China.

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Since security considerations are always paramount around these sites, we are taking action now to prevent any security risks materialising.

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The Department for Transport has now sent out a news release with a statement from Mark Harper about his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary. It mostly echoes what he told the BBC (see 2.32pm), but it includes a line saying he thinks “there is a deal to be done”. He says:

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We have common ground – we both want the dispute to end and we both want a thriving railway which delivers for passengers and workers alike. To achieve this though, we need to work together, across the entire industry to ensure our railway industry thrives.

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There is a deal to be done, and I believe we will get there – I want to facilitate the RMT and the employers to reach an agreement and end the dispute for the benefit of the travelling public.

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Mark Harper, the transport secretary, has said his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, was productive. In a clip for broadcasters, he adopted a consensual tone, stressing the “shared” objectives of both sides, but did not offer commitments on substance. He said:

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[Lynch] and I both agreed that this was a productive meeting. It was the first one that that we’ve had. I think it struck the right tone.

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I think there was a shared agreement in the meeting. We both want to have a thriving railway that is sustainable for the future, that serves passengers, that serves the country and also provides good, well-paid jobs for the people that he represents. I think there’s a lot of shared agreement there.

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But we need to have the two sides, the trade unions and the employers, sit down, agree on the detail, so that we can bring this dispute to an end. I think that’s where we both have a shared interest.

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These latest figures must serve as a wake-up call for the Home Office to ditch its hostile approach and the peddling of dangerous lies about those fleeing conflict and hardship.

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The home secretary’s claims over ‘economic migrants’ have been utterly exposed with the official ONS stats revealing that just over three-quarters (77%) of the initial decisions on asylum applications in the year ending September 2022 were ‘grants of refugee status, humanitarian protection or alternative forms of leave’. Appeals against refusals are also historically high, at 52%.

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However, the backlog of cases also jumped yet again to nearly 120,000 cases, with growing numbers having to wait months and years waiting for a decision, not allowed to work, and on poverty support levels.

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Here is a full summary of what Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, said when he spoke to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

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  • Lynch said the meeting with Mark Harper was “positive”. He said:

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I would say it was a positive meeting in the sense that we’ve got rid of the bellicose nonsense that we used to have from Grant Shapps and his cohort, in his era, and we are now starting to get a dialogue.

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  • But he said the RMT was no closer to calling off the strikes scheduled for December and January. He said that would not happen until a reasonable offer was on the table. He said:

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If we call off the strikes, we’ll never get a settlement. We did that two weeks ago. We’ve changed our dates in response to public opinion. When the Queen passed, when we had the poppy day, we’ve done other things. We have not had a strike for seven weeks, and nothing has happened. So anyone that’s been involved in industrial relations knows that there has got to leverage and pressure at the table from both sides. That will create the compromises and the resolutions that we’re all looking for.

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If I take these [strike] actions off without any outcome, my members won’t forgive me for doing that. And we know that the pressure will be off all the parties.

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  • He said Harper had committed to giving the RMT a letter setting out a process towards a resolution of the rail dispute.

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  • He said he wanted Harper to give the rail industry a fresh mandate to negotiate an end to the dispute. He said that although the RMT has been in talks with the Rail Delivery Group, which represents rail companies, it did not seem to have proper authority to negotiate. The individual companies were also saying they could not negotiate either, he said. He said he asked Harper to clarify who had authority to negotiate, and to set up a liaison group involving ministers. He went on:

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[Harper] has got a legal responsibility for industrial relations, and the responsibility to set their mandate, ie what they can say, what they can offer, and what they can negotiate on at that table. So I’m hoping he’s going to do that, hopefully today … He needs to clarify in writing where he stands and where the industry stands when they are transacting with us in those discussions.

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  • He said he did not expect Harper to be at the negotiating table with him. But he did expect ministers to be “engaged in the process”.

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  • He claimed the current negotiating situation was “surreal” because the employers did not have a mandate to negotiate a resolution. He said the Rail Delivery Group had told the RMT it was not able to engage in collective bargaining. And the individual rail companies said they could not engage in collective bargaining either, he said. He went on:

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So this is a completely strange and surreal situation. I’m responsible for my union, and I stand in front of you and take whatever you want to throw at me. Nobody from the employers is prepared to stand in front of me and take the responsibility for settling this dispute. That’s what we need. We need somebody of authority, which has to start with the secretary of state and the rail minister, who I want to work with positively, to take responsibility for settling this dispute.

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  • He said Harper had denied that the Department for Transport was the “blockage” preventing a solution to the dispute. Lynch said someone seemed to be blocking a solution, but he said it was not clearly exactly who it was.

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  • He said he had urged Harper to speed up negotiations. The talks have been running for six months already, he said. “And we have had not one document put across the table. That has to change,” he said.

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Around 9,000 people came forward, and all ministers will have experienced endless people directly ringing them up to try and help with the huge need that there was at the time.

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It did not give you any kind of successful guarantee of a contract. Indeed, 90% of the bids that went through it were not successful.

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In the Commons, during transport questions this morning, Mark Harper, the transport secretary, told MPs that he wanted rail union leaders to engage in negotiations to end the strikes and accept that reform was vital. He said:

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I want a sustainable, thriving rail network, but with 20% of passengers not having returned following the Covid pandemic, reform is vital. I would urge all trade union leaders to get back around the table with employers to hammer out the detail of that reform.

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The government will work to facilitate this and to that end I will be meeting with trade union leaders in the coming days.

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Within the last few minutes Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, has arrived at the Department for Transport for talks with Harper. Lynch said:

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We’re expecting a positive meeting. We’re [hoping for a] constructive approach. And we’ll see what he says.

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This is from Sky’s Ivor Bennett.

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RMT boss Mick Lynch has arrived at the Department for Transport ahead of crunch meeting with the Transport Sec.

&quot;We're expecting a positive meeting. We're offering a constructive approach and we'll see what he says.&quot;

More on @SkyNews shortly pic.twitter.com/jSAe22hzMJ

&mdash; Ivor Bennett (@IvorBennett) November 24, 2022

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Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, said the revelations in the Guardian today about the Tory peer Michelle Mone and her children gaining £29m from a firm that gained a PPE contract through the government’s VIP lane showed “a total failure of due diligence”. Asking her urgent question on the topic, she told MPs:

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Last night documents seen by the Guardian revealed yet another case of taxpayers’ money being wasted – a total failure of due diligence and the conflict of interest at the heart of government procurement.

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In May 2020 PPE Medpro was … given £203m in government contracts after referral from a Tory peer. It now appears that tens of millions of pounds of that money ended up in offshore accounts connected to the individuals involved, profits made possible through the company’s personal connections for ministers and the Tories’ VIP lane that was declared illegal by the high court.

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Yet ministers are still refusing to publish correspondence relating to the awarding of the MedPro contract because they say the department is engaged in a mediation process.

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Rayner asked the minister, Neil O’Brien, if the government had recovered any funds from PPE Medro. But she argued that a wider scandal was involved.

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This government has written off £10bn alone in PPE that was deemed unfit for use , unuseable, overpriced or undelivered. Ministers appears to have learned no lessons and have no shame. As family’s struggle to make ends meet, taxpayers will spend £700,000 pounds a day on the storage of inadequate PPE.

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Rayner was reprimanded by Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, who said he wanted MPs to stick to the rules that he mentioned earlier about not referring to the Mone case. (See 10.44am.) Hoyle stressed that he did not make these rules.

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In response, O’Brien, a health minister, said that, in the case of “underperforming” PPE contracts, the government did try to recover its money, or reach an agreement with the company concerned. In the case of PPE Medro, “we haven’t got to the point where a satisfactory agreement has been reached at this stage,” he said.

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On the topic of PPE procurement generally, he said the “VIP lane” was just a mechanism for handling referrals. He said being in the VIP lane did not guarantee that a contract would be awarded.

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And he stressed that the government had to act quickly. Governments buying PPE were being “gazumped”, he said because “goods were taken out of the warehouse if people could turn up with the cash quicker than you could”.

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In the Commons Neil O’Brien, the health minister, is responding to an urgent question tabled by Labour about the procurement of PPE during the pandemic.

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The question was tabled by Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, tabled the question. It was inspired by the Guardian story saying documents indicate that the Conservative peer Michelle Mone and her children secretly received £29m originating from the profits of a PPE business that was awarded large government contracts after she recommended it to ministers.

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Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons speaker, started by saying that MPs are not allowed a criticise a member of the House of Lords unless they are debating a motion specifically referring to that peer. And he says MPs should not say anything that might prejudice legal action.

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In his opening statement, O’Brien did not mention Mone, but just stressed how the government had to procure PPE equipment very quickly. He said there may be lessons to be learned from the prices that were paid, but he said “we must not lose sight of the huge national efforts that took place to protect the most vulnerable”.

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The Office for National Statistics has released figures showing that net migration – the number of people arriving in the UK to stay long term, minus the number leaving – reached an estimated 504,000 in the year ending in June this year. This is the highest figure on record.

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And the number of long-term immigrants arriving in that period was 1.1 million, the ONS says.

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These figures represent a big increase on previous years, but the ONS says that is partly due to some “unique” factors. It says:

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The period leading up to June 2022 was unique, with simultaneous factors coinciding to affect long-term immigration; this included the continued recovery in travel following the coronavirus (Covid-19) pandemic, a number of migration events including a new immigration system following transition from the EU, and the ongoing support for Ukrainian nationals and others requiring protection.

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These have all contributed towards relatively high levels of total long-term immigration at an estimated 1.1 million in the year to June 2022.

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The estimated 435,000 increase in total immigration compared with a year earlier was driven by non-EU nationals (up 379,000 to 704,000 in the YE June 2022); increasing arrivals of international students and people travelling from Ukraine under the visa support scheme were all contributing factors.

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Here is the graph showing the immigration figures.

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And here is the graph showing the net migration figures.

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UPDATE: The ONS says these are record figures since 1964, when the ONS started collecting figures. See 11.21am.

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Dominic Raab is reportedly facing multiple fresh complaints from senior civil servants in multiple government departments over allegations of bullying behaviour. My colleague Geneva Abdul has the story here.

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Good morning. Years ago, at least until the late 1980s, one of the best jobs in journalism was to be the industrial editor. Strikes were always in the news, they covered loads of stories (and often took precedence over the political correspondents covering the Labour party, which was then largely run by the unions). But after the Thatcher government’s union reforms, plus mass unemployment, union membership fell, the number of days lost to strikes shrunk, and now the industrial correspondents have now almost all gone. Which is a shame, because today we really need some.

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Here is a quick round-up from on-strike Britain.

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  • Royal Mail workers have begun a two-day strike. My colleague Joe Middleton writes about it here.

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And here are some picture from the CWU union Twitter feed.

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Great photos coming through and amazing supporters #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/eiiMx5fixl

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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Stronger than ever! Such fantastic support at our pickets lines #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/cX1tOx0pyc

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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Our members and supporters are incredible #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/EuMKnQzqvh

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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  • Up to 2.5 million students could face disruption because university staff have started what is being billed as the biggest strike in the history of UK higher education. My colleague Sally Weale writes about it here.

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  • And Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, is preparing for a meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary, to discuss what might be done to avert more strikes planned for December and January. Lynch gave an interview to ITV’s Peston last night and he called for a new, ‘transactional’ approach from the government. He said:

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We need the government to get its act together and be a facilitator. We’ve had so much disruption, where Grant Shapps was frankly just going around being bellicose, accusing me of being some kind of medieval baron, evil Marxist mastermind and all the rest of it. It’s just not appropriate.

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If Mark Harper wants to come in there and calm stuff down, and say let’s get on with the business, let’s do transactional business across the table – they get a bit, we get a bit, our members benefit, the public benefits – happy days, let’s get on with the deal, we don’t have to have strikes.

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“If Mark Harper wants to come in and calm things down… happy days”

RMT Union leader Mick Lynch tells @Peston Grant Shapps “bellicose” attitude didn't help negotiations.#Peston pic.twitter.com/i7bsBeqgBA

&mdash; Peston (@itvpeston) November 23, 2022

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Here is the agenda for the day.

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9.30am: Mark Harper, the transport secretary, takes questions in the Commons.

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11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

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11.45am: Harper is due to hold a meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary.

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I try to monitor the comments below the line (BTL) but it is impossible to read them all. If you have a direct question, do include “Andrew” in it somewhere and I’m more likely to find it. I do try to answer questions and, if they are of general interest, I will post the question and reply above the line (ATL), although I can’t promise to do this for everyone.

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If you want to attract my attention quickly, it is probably better to use Twitter. I’m on @AndrewSparrow.

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Alternatively, you can email me at [email protected]

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Government departments have been ordered to stop installing surveillance cameras made by Chinese firms on “sensitive sites” due to security concerns, PA Media reports. PA says:

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The order applies to “visual surveillance systems” made by firms subject to China’s national security law, which requires companies to cooperate with Beijing’s security services.

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Whitehall ministries have been told existing equipment should not be connected to departmental core networks and consideration should be given to removing it entirely.

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The shift in policy was announced by Oliver Dowden, the Cabinet Office minister. In a written ministerial statement he said:

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The Government Security Group has undertaken a review of the current and future possible security risks associated with the installation of visual surveillance systems on the government estate.

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The review has concluded that, in light of the threat to the UK and the increasing capability and connectivity of these systems, additional controls are required.

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Departments have therefore been instructed to cease deployment of such equipment on to sensitive sites, where it is produced by companies subject to the national intelligence law of the People’s Republic of China.

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Since security considerations are always paramount around these sites, we are taking action now to prevent any security risks materialising.

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The Department for Transport has now sent out a news release with a statement from Mark Harper about his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary. It mostly echoes what he told the BBC (see 2.32pm), but it includes a line saying he thinks “there is a deal to be done”. He says:

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We have common ground – we both want the dispute to end and we both want a thriving railway which delivers for passengers and workers alike. To achieve this though, we need to work together, across the entire industry to ensure our railway industry thrives.

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There is a deal to be done, and I believe we will get there – I want to facilitate the RMT and the employers to reach an agreement and end the dispute for the benefit of the travelling public.

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Unfortunately there’s a typo in the DfT’s press release.

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[Lynch] and I both agreed that this was a productive meeting. It was the first one that that we’ve had. I think it struck the right tone.

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I think there was a shared agreement in the meeting. We both want to have a thriving railway that is sustainable for the future, that serves passengers, that serves the country and also provides good, well-paid jobs for the people that he represents. I think there’s a lot of shared agreement there.

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But we need to have the two sides, the trade unions and the employers, sit down, agree on the detail, so that we can bring this dispute to an end. I think that’s where we both have a shared interest.

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The home secretary’s claims over ‘economic migrants’ have been utterly exposed with the official ONS stats revealing that just over three-quarters (77%) of the initial decisions on asylum applications in the year ending September 2022 were ‘grants of refugee status, humanitarian protection or alternative forms of leave’. Appeals against refusals are also historically high, at 52%.

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Here is a full summary of what Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, said when he spoke to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

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  • Lynch said the meeting with Mark Harper was “positive”. He said:

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I would say it was a positive meeting in the sense that we’ve got rid of the bellicose nonsense that we used to have from Grant Shapps and his cohort, in his era, and we are now starting to get a dialogue.

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  • But he said the RMT was no closer to calling off the strikes scheduled for December and January. He said that would not happen until a reasonable offer was on the table. He said:

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If we call off the strikes, we’ll never get a settlement. We did that two weeks ago. We’ve changed our dates in response to public opinion. When the Queen passed, when we had the poppy day, we’ve done other things. We have not had a strike for seven weeks, and nothing has happened. So anyone that’s been involved in industrial relations knows that there has got to leverage and pressure at the table from both sides. That will create the compromises and the resolutions that we’re all looking for.

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If I take these [strike] actions off without any outcome, my members won’t forgive me for doing that. And we know that the pressure will be off all the parties.

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  • He said Harper had committed to giving the RMT a letter setting out a process towards a resolution of the rail dispute.

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  • He said he wanted Harper to give the rail industry a fresh mandate to negotiate an end to the dispute. He said that although the RMT has been in talks with the Rail Delivery Group, which represents rail companies, it did not seem to have proper authority to negotiate. The individual companies were also saying they could not negotiate either, he said. He said he asked Harper to clarify who had authority to negotiate, and to set up a liaison group involving ministers. He went on:

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[Harper] has got a legal responsibility for industrial relations, and the responsibility to set their mandate, ie what they can say, what they can offer, and what they can negotiate on at that table. So I’m hoping he’s going to do that, hopefully today … He needs to clarify in writing where he stands and where the industry stands when they are transacting with us in those discussions.

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  • He said he did not expect Harper to be at the negotiating table with him. But he did expect ministers to be “engaged in the process”.

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  • He claimed the current negotiating situation was “surreal” because the employers did not have a mandate to negotiate a resolution. He said the Rail Delivery Group had told the RMT it was not able to engage in collective bargaining. And the individual rail companies said they could not engage in collective bargaining either, he said. He went on:

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So this is a completely strange and surreal situation. I’m responsible for my union, and I stand in front of you and take whatever you want to throw at me. Nobody from the employers is prepared to stand in front of me and take the responsibility for settling this dispute. That’s what we need. We need somebody of authority, which has to start with the secretary of state and the rail minister, who I want to work with positively, to take responsibility for settling this dispute.

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  • He said Harper had denied that the Department for Transport was the “blockage” preventing a solution to the dispute. Lynch said someone seemed to be blocking a solution, but he said it was not clearly exactly who it was.

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Referring to the VIP lane, he said:

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Around 9,000 people came forward, and all ministers will have experienced endless people directly ringing them up to try and help with the huge need that there was at the time.

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It did not give you any kind of successful guarantee of a contract. Indeed, 90% of the bids that went through it were not successful.

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In the Commons, during transport questions this morning, Mark Harper, the transport secretary, told MPs that he wanted rail union leaders to engage in negotiations to end the strikes and accept that reform was vital. He said:

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I want a sustainable, thriving rail network, but with 20% of passengers not having returned following the Covid pandemic, reform is vital. I would urge all trade union leaders to get back around the table with employers to hammer out the detail of that reform.

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The government will work to facilitate this and to that end I will be meeting with trade union leaders in the coming days.

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Within the last few minutes Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, has arrived at the Department for Transport for talks with Harper. Lynch said:

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We’re expecting a positive meeting. We’re [hoping for a] constructive approach. And we’ll see what he says.

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This is from Sky’s Ivor Bennett.

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RMT boss Mick Lynch has arrived at the Department for Transport ahead of crunch meeting with the Transport Sec.

&quot;We're expecting a positive meeting. We're offering a constructive approach and we'll see what he says.&quot;

More on @SkyNews shortly pic.twitter.com/jSAe22hzMJ

&mdash; Ivor Bennett (@IvorBennett) November 24, 2022

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Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, said the revelations in the Guardian today about the Tory peer Michelle Mone and her children gaining £29m from a firm that gained a PPE contract through the government’s VIP lane showed “a total failure of due diligence”. Asking her urgent question on the topic, she told MPs:

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Last night documents seen by the Guardian revealed yet another case of taxpayers’ money being wasted – a total failure of due diligence and the conflict of interest at the heart of government procurement.

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In May 2020 PPE Medpro was … given £203m in government contracts after referral from a Tory peer. It now appears that tens of millions of pounds of that money ended up in offshore accounts connected to the individuals involved, profits made possible through the company’s personal connections for ministers and the Tories’ VIP lane that was declared illegal by the high court.

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Yet ministers are still refusing to publish correspondence relating to the awarding of the MedPro contract because they say the department is engaged in a mediation process.

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Rayner asked the minister, Neil O’Brien, if the government had recovered any funds from PPE Medro. But she argued that a wider scandal was involved.

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This government has written off £10bn alone in PPE that was deemed unfit for use , unuseable, overpriced or undelivered. Ministers appears to have learned no lessons and have no shame. As family’s struggle to make ends meet, taxpayers will spend £700,000 pounds a day on the storage of inadequate PPE.

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Rayner was reprimanded by Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, who said he wanted MPs to stick to the rules that he mentioned earlier about not referring to the Mone case. (See 10.44am.) Hoyle stressed that he did not make these rules.

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In response, O’Brien, a health minister, said that, in the case of “underperforming” PPE contracts, the government did try to recover its money, or reach an agreement with the company concerned. In the case of PPE Medro, “we haven’t got to the point where a satisfactory agreement has been reached at this stage,” he said.

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On the topic of PPE procurement generally, he said the “VIP lane” was just a mechanism for handling referrals. He said being in the VIP lane did not guarantee that a contract would be awarded.

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And he stressed that the government had to act quickly. Governments buying PPE were being “gazumped”, he said because “goods were taken out of the warehouse if people could turn up with the cash quicker than you could”.

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The question was tabled by Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, tabled the question. It was inspired by the Guardian story saying documents indicate that the Conservative peer Michelle Mone and her children secretly received £29m originating from the profits of a PPE business that was awarded large government contracts after she recommended it to ministers.

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Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons speaker, started by saying that MPs are not allowed a criticise a member of the House of Lords unless they are debating a motion specifically referring to that peer. And he says MPs should not say anything that might prejudice legal action.

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In his opening statement, O’Brien did not mention Mone, but just stressed how the government had to procure PPE equipment very quickly. He said there may be lessons to be learned from the prices that were paid, but he said “we must not lose sight of the huge national efforts that took place to protect the most vulnerable”.

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The Office for National Statistics has released figures showing that net migration – the number of people arriving in the UK to stay long term, minus the number leaving – reached an estimated 504,000 in the year ending in June this year. This is the highest figure on record.

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And the number of long-term immigrants arriving in that period was 1.1 million, the ONS says.

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These figures represent a big increase on previous years, but the ONS says that is partly due to some “unique” factors. It says:

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The period leading up to June 2022 was unique, with simultaneous factors coinciding to affect long-term immigration; this included the continued recovery in travel following the coronavirus (Covid-19) pandemic, a number of migration events including a new immigration system following transition from the EU, and the ongoing support for Ukrainian nationals and others requiring protection.

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These have all contributed towards relatively high levels of total long-term immigration at an estimated 1.1 million in the year to June 2022.

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The estimated 435,000 increase in total immigration compared with a year earlier was driven by non-EU nationals (up 379,000 to 704,000 in the YE June 2022); increasing arrivals of international students and people travelling from Ukraine under the visa support scheme were all contributing factors.

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Here is the graph showing the immigration figures.

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And here is the graph showing the net migration figures.

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UPDATE: The ONS says these are record figures since 1964, when the ONS started collecting figures. See 11.21am.

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Dominic Raab is reportedly facing multiple fresh complaints from senior civil servants in multiple government departments over allegations of bullying behaviour. My colleague Geneva Abdul has the story here.

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Good morning. Years ago, at least until the late 1980s, one of the best jobs in journalism was to be the industrial editor. Strikes were always in the news, they covered loads of stories (and often took precedence over the political correspondents covering the Labour party, which was then largely run by the unions). But after the Thatcher government’s union reforms, plus mass unemployment, union membership fell, the number of days lost to strikes shrunk, and now the industrial correspondents have now almost all gone. Which is a shame, because today we really need some.

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Here is a quick round-up from on-strike Britain.

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  • Royal Mail workers have begun a two-day strike. My colleague Joe Middleton writes about it here.

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And here are some picture from the CWU union Twitter feed.

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Great photos coming through and amazing supporters #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/eiiMx5fixl

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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Stronger than ever! Such fantastic support at our pickets lines #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/cX1tOx0pyc

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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Our members and supporters are incredible #StandByYourPost pic.twitter.com/EuMKnQzqvh

&mdash; The CWU (@CWUnews) November 24, 2022

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  • Up to 2.5 million students could face disruption because university staff have started what is being billed as the biggest strike in the history of UK higher education. My colleague Sally Weale writes about it here.

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  • And Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, is preparing for a meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary, to discuss what might be done to avert more strikes planned for December and January. Lynch gave an interview to ITV’s Peston last night and he called for a new, ‘transactional’ approach from the government. He said:

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We need the government to get its act together and be a facilitator. We’ve had so much disruption, where Grant Shapps was frankly just going around being bellicose, accusing me of being some kind of medieval baron, evil Marxist mastermind and all the rest of it. It’s just not appropriate.

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If Mark Harper wants to come in there and calm stuff down, and say let’s get on with the business, let’s do transactional business across the table – they get a bit, we get a bit, our members benefit, the public benefits – happy days, let’s get on with the deal, we don’t have to have strikes.

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“If Mark Harper wants to come in and calm things down… happy days”

RMT Union leader Mick Lynch tells @Peston Grant Shapps “bellicose” attitude didn't help negotiations.#Peston pic.twitter.com/i7bsBeqgBA

&mdash; Peston (@itvpeston) November 23, 2022

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Here is the agenda for the day.

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9.30am: Mark Harper, the transport secretary, takes questions in the Commons.

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11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

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11.45am: Harper is due to hold a meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary.

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Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs at first minister’s questions that unionist politicians at Westminister were blocking a second independence referendum because they were afraid of the result. She said:

Unionist Westminster politicians want to silence Scotland’s voice because they are scared of what Scotland might say. It is quite simple …

Any politician who was confident of their case and confident of being able to persuade others of their case would not be trying to block democracy, they would be embracing democracy.

Nicola Sturgeon at first minister’s questions today.
Nicola Sturgeon at first minister’s questions today. Photograph: Russell Cheyne/Reuters

Dowden bans use of surveillance cameras made by Chinese firms from sensitive government locations

Government departments have been ordered to stop installing surveillance cameras made by Chinese firms on “sensitive sites” due to security concerns, PA Media reports. PA says:

The order applies to “visual surveillance systems” made by firms subject to China’s national security law, which requires companies to cooperate with Beijing’s security services.

Whitehall ministries have been told existing equipment should not be connected to departmental core networks and consideration should be given to removing it entirely.

The shift in policy was announced by Oliver Dowden, the Cabinet Office minister. In a written ministerial statement he said:

The Government Security Group has undertaken a review of the current and future possible security risks associated with the installation of visual surveillance systems on the government estate.

The review has concluded that, in light of the threat to the UK and the increasing capability and connectivity of these systems, additional controls are required.

Departments have therefore been instructed to cease deployment of such equipment on to sensitive sites, where it is produced by companies subject to the national intelligence law of the People’s Republic of China.

Since security considerations are always paramount around these sites, we are taking action now to prevent any security risks materialising.

Updated at 10.58 EST

Chris Heaton-Harris, the Northern Ireland secretary, has announced that he has set a budget for Northern Ireland for 2022-23. No budget was set earlier this year, because the power-sharing executive was not operating because of the DUP boycott over the Northern Ireland protocol, and Heaton-Harris said the ministers who were in office from May to October 2022 “left Northern Ireland’s public finances with a black hole of some £660m”.

He has set out details of the budget in a written ministerial statement, and he says legislation will be passed to give it legal force.

Commenting on today’s immigration figures, Sunder Katwala, director of British Future, a thinktank focusing on race, identity and immigration issues, said:

Despite these exceptionally high numbers, inflated by new arrivals from Ukraine and Hong Kong, our research finds public support for immigration as high as it’s ever been.

Neither Rishi Sunak nor Keir Starmer plans to make significant cuts to immigration because of the social and economic benefits it brings to Britain.

So political leaders should now be setting out a vision for how we make this work well for all of us in the UK, focusing on integration, citizenship and training up the UK workforce to fill skills gaps.

Making vague promises to reduce numbers, without any plan or policy to make it happen, will only damage public trust.

Members of the Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS), the Scottish teaching union, holding a rally outside the Scottish parliament today in support of their strike action over pay.
Members of the Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS), the Scottish teaching union, holding a rally outside the Scottish parliament today in support of their strike action over pay. Photograph: Jane Barlow/PA

Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, claims the rise in net migration to a record figure is partly explained by the government’s failure to address the skills shortage. In a comment on the figures, she said:

Whilst there are unique circumstances behind today’s figures including the support the UK has rightly given to Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan, they also show serious problems with Conservative mismanagement of the immigration and asylum systems where they have completely failed to get a grip.

Despite their promises to stop dangerous Channel crossings, they’ve failed to tackle the criminal gangs, and asylum decision making has collapsed – with only 2% of people who arrived in small boats over the last year having had their cases decided. Work visas have also substantially increased as a result of major skills shortages in the UK – yet the Conservatives are not taking any serious action to address skills shortages here at home.

Updated at 10.25 EST

The Northern Ireland minister, Steve Baker, is proposing reopening the Brexit trade agreement David Frost struck with the EU as a means of fixing the problems caused by the Northern Ireland protocol, my colleague Lisa O’Carroll reports.

Harper says there is ‘deal to be done’ to end rail dispute

The Department for Transport has now sent out a news release with a statement from Mark Harper about his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary. It mostly echoes what he told the BBC (see 2.32pm), but it includes a line saying he thinks “there is a deal to be done”. He says:

We have common ground – we both want the dispute to end and we both want a thriving railway which delivers for passengers and workers alike. To achieve this though, we need to work together, across the entire industry to ensure our railway industry thrives.

There is a deal to be done, and I believe we will get there – I want to facilitate the RMT and the employers to reach an agreement and end the dispute for the benefit of the travelling public.

Unfortunately there’s a typo in the DfT’s press release.

DfT press release
DfT press release. Photograph: DfT

Updated at 10.05 EST

Transport secretary Mark Harper says meeting with RMT’s Mick Lynch ‘productive’

Mark Harper, the transport secretary, has said his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, was productive. In a clip for broadcasters, he adopted a consensual tone, stressing the “shared” objectives of both sides, but did not offer commitments on substance. He said:

[Lynch] and I both agreed that this was a productive meeting. It was the first one that that we’ve had. I think it struck the right tone.

I think there was a shared agreement in the meeting. We both want to have a thriving railway that is sustainable for the future, that serves passengers, that serves the country and also provides good, well-paid jobs for the people that he represents. I think there’s a lot of shared agreement there.

But we need to have the two sides, the trade unions and the employers, sit down, agree on the detail, so that we can bring this dispute to an end. I think that’s where we both have a shared interest.

Mark Harper speaking to the BBC
Mark Harper speaking to the BBC. Photograph: BBC News

Updated at 09.37 EST

77% asylum application success rate shows Braverman peddling ‘lies’ about economic migrants, says SNP

The SNP says today’s asylum figures (see 12.49pm) show that Suella Braverman, the home secretary, has been peddling “dangerous lies” about asylum seekers. In a statement, Stuart McDonald, the party’s home affairs spokesperson, said:

These latest figures must serve as a wake-up call for the Home Office to ditch its hostile approach and the peddling of dangerous lies about those fleeing conflict and hardship.

The home secretary’s claims over ‘economic migrants’ have been utterly exposed with the official ONS stats revealing that just over three-quarters (77%) of the initial decisions on asylum applications in the year ending September 2022 were ‘grants of refugee status, humanitarian protection or alternative forms of leave’. Appeals against refusals are also historically high, at 52%.

However, the backlog of cases also jumped yet again to nearly 120,000 cases, with growing numbers having to wait months and years waiting for a decision, not allowed to work, and on poverty support levels.

Updated at 09.25 EST

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Today the Guardian reported on statistics from Surfers Against Sewage, which found water companies are routinely spilling human waste into rivers and beaches when it isn’t even raining.

They are only supposed to do so during “exceptional weather conditions”.

The Liberal Democrat MP Richard Foord has raised the report in parliament, highlighting how his son became sick after swimming in a river in Devon.

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.@sascampaigns new report reveals the scale of illegal sewage dumps from negligent water companies.

With my son becoming ill after swimming in a local river, this is personal for me.

Today I raised the report in Parliament and called for a debate on how we stop this behaviour. pic.twitter.com/xVoSn680pz

&mdash; Richard Foord MP (@RichardFoordLD) November 24, 2022

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.@sascampaigns new report reveals the scale of illegal sewage dumps from negligent water companies.

With my son becoming ill after swimming in a local river, this is personal for me.

Today I raised the report in Parliament and called for a debate on how we stop this behaviour. pic.twitter.com/xVoSn680pz

— Richard Foord MP (@RichardFoordLD) November 24, 2022

Updated at 09.27 EST

Lynch says he hopes Harper will end ‘surreal’ situation where none of rail bodies authorised to negotiate end to strike

Here is a full summary of what Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, said when he spoke to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

I would say it was a positive meeting in the sense that we’ve got rid of the bellicose nonsense that we used to have from Grant Shapps and his cohort, in his era, and we are now starting to get a dialogue.

If we call off the strikes, we’ll never get a settlement. We did that two weeks ago. We’ve changed our dates in response to public opinion. When the Queen passed, when we had the poppy day, we’ve done other things. We have not had a strike for seven weeks, and nothing has happened. So anyone that’s been involved in industrial relations knows that there has got to leverage and pressure at the table from both sides. That will create the compromises and the resolutions that we’re all looking for.

If I take these [strike] actions off without any outcome, my members won’t forgive me for doing that. And we know that the pressure will be off all the parties.

  • He said he wanted Harper to give the rail industry a fresh mandate to negotiate an end to the dispute. He said that although the RMT has been in talks with the Rail Delivery Group, which represents rail companies, it did not seem to have proper authority to negotiate. The individual companies were also saying they could not negotiate either, he said. He said he asked Harper to clarify who had authority to negotiate, and to set up a liaison group involving ministers. He went on:

[Harper] has got a legal responsibility for industrial relations, and the responsibility to set their mandate, ie what they can say, what they can offer, and what they can negotiate on at that table. So I’m hoping he’s going to do that, hopefully today … He needs to clarify in writing where he stands and where the industry stands when they are transacting with us in those discussions.

  • He claimed the current negotiating situation was “surreal” because the employers did not have a mandate to negotiate a resolution. He said the Rail Delivery Group had told the RMT it was not able to engage in collective bargaining. And the individual rail companies said they could not engage in collective bargaining either, he said. He went on:

So this is a completely strange and surreal situation. I’m responsible for my union, and I stand in front of you and take whatever you want to throw at me. Nobody from the employers is prepared to stand in front of me and take the responsibility for settling this dispute. That’s what we need. We need somebody of authority, which has to start with the secretary of state and the rail minister, who I want to work with positively, to take responsibility for settling this dispute.

  • He said Harper had denied that the Department for Transport was the “blockage” preventing a solution to the dispute. Lynch said someone seemed to be blocking a solution, but he said it was not clearly exactly who it was.

  • He said he had urged Harper to speed up negotiations. The talks have been running for six months already, he said. “And we have had not one document put across the table. That has to change,” he said.

  • He said jobs, and terms and conditions, were more important to his members than pay levels. He said:

My members are telling me you’ve got to secure me my job, and you’ve got to get me a set of terms and conditions that are acceptable, and then we can talk about what we’re getting paid. If you haven’t got a job, you don’t get a pay rise anyway.

They made profit throughout Covid and they made profit throughout these disputes, where they have been indemnified for every day of strike action. This lot in the Department of Transport have been paying all their costs while all the businesses in London and across this country have been suffering losses, while the train operators have had all of their revenue protected by this government.

Mick Lynch speaking to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper at the Department for Transport.
Mick Lynch speaking to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper at the Department for Transport. Photograph: Kirsty O’Connor/PA

Updated at 09.30 EST

Mick Lynch says meeting with transport secretary ‘positive’, but RMT no closer to calling off rail strikes

Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, has been speaking to the media after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

He said that it was a “positive meeting” and that Harper said he would set out in writing what steps might be taken towards a resolution of the dispute behind the rail strikes.

He said one issue was that it has not been clear what scope the Rail Delivery Group had to negotiate. Harper said he would clarify that, he said.

Lynch said he hoped that would lead to a new negotiating mandate.

But asked if he was closer to calling off the dispute, Lynch said that was not the case. He said they would not be closer to an end of the dispute until a reasonable offer was on the table.

This is from the Mirror’s Ashley Cowburn.

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Mick Lynch tells the press we’re “now starting to get a dialogue” with Transport Sec.

Says we’re “getting rid of the bellicose rhetoric” of his predecessor Grant Shapps. pic.twitter.com/GhP8C61ON2

&mdash; Ashley Cowburn (@ashcowburn) November 24, 2022

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Mick Lynch tells the press we’re “now starting to get a dialogue” with Transport Sec.

Says we’re “getting rid of the bellicose rhetoric” of his predecessor Grant Shapps. pic.twitter.com/GhP8C61ON2

— Ashley Cowburn (@ashcowburn) November 24, 2022

Updated at 08.22 EST

Colin Yeo, an immigration lawyer, has posted an interesting thread on Twitter about the latest immigration and asylum statistics out today. It starts here.

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1. The latest quarterly immigration statistics are out. A developing thread on stuff that seems interesting… https://t.co/3i5cHeZaMl

&mdash; Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

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He points out that there has been a huge rise in the number of asylum seekers waiting to have their applications considered.

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4. There were only 16,400 initial decisions over the last year, meaning that the backlog substantially increased. There are now 117,400 applications outstanding relating to 143,377 people. pic.twitter.com/gJQBmDKDZr

&mdash; Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

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4. There were only 16,400 initial decisions over the last year, meaning that the backlog substantially increased. There are now 117,400 applications outstanding relating to 143,377 people. pic.twitter.com/gJQBmDKDZr

— Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

And he says successful applications, and successful appeals, are at historically high levels.

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5. Of the (few) decisions that were made, 77% were grants of asylum. That is an historic high. It is driven by the fact that a lot of asylum seekers are coming from very dangerous countries. This chart shows the top 10 nationalities claiming asylum pic.twitter.com/7ZS5Y3cWiC

&mdash; Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

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5. Of the (few) decisions that were made, 77% were grants of asylum. That is an historic high. It is driven by the fact that a lot of asylum seekers are coming from very dangerous countries. This chart shows the top 10 nationalities claiming asylum pic.twitter.com/7ZS5Y3cWiC

— Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

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7. 52% of asylum appeals were also allowed, which is also historically high. There were only 3,543 appeals lodged in the last year, largely because there were so few refusals. Appeals really aren't gumming up the system: it's very much entirely the Home Office that is doing that.

&mdash; Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

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7. 52% of asylum appeals were also allowed, which is also historically high. There were only 3,543 appeals lodged in the last year, largely because there were so few refusals. Appeals really aren’t gumming up the system: it’s very much entirely the Home Office that is doing that.

— Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1) November 24, 2022

At the Downing Street lobby briefing this morning the PM’s spokesperson mostly refused to comment the BBC Newsnight report that former private secretaries who have worked with Dominic Raab are preparing to submit complaints about his conduct. The PM’s spokesperson said:

The investigation is ongoing, I don’t intend to provide a running commentary on what is an independent and – rightly – confidential process.

But the spokesperson confirmed that Rishi Sunak still had confidence in Raab. And he did address one aspect of the Newsnight report, saying that in some circumstances ministers can use a personal email account for government business. The spokesperson said:

Ministers are able to use various forms of communication. As long as they take heed of that guidance, there is not a binary restriction on use of personal email addresses.

Updated at 07.39 EST

The Guardian

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